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The Hands On Experience

GSCA Breeder Education – 2016 GSCA National Specialty

By Sally Gift

To begin let’s start with excerpts from

Looking at Dogs in a Positive Light When Judging From the March 2015 issue of Dogs in Review magazine.

By Kathy Lorentzen

Positive and clearly explained judging can only be good for both judges and breeders, and for our breeds as well.

Have you ever noticed how easy it is for people to look at a dog and immediately point out what they don’t like about that dog? I think most often the first comments made by many people about a dog are negative. We hear an awful lot of “I don’t like” in conversations about dogs.

Probably we are all guilty of falling into the trap of finding fault, both as breeders and as judges, because finding fault is easier than finding virtue. Common faults are easily seen and identified by almost everyone, while breed-specific virtues can only be seen and appreciated by those who truly understand the breed they are looking at…Even judges (sic Breeders) with years of experience were tongue tied when forced to discuss their placements by pointing out only the virtues of each dog. They all wanted to fall back into the “I don’t like” syndrome.

…The positive mindset is not only important for judges but for breeders as well. How many times have I asked a fellow breeder, “What do you think of that dog?” only to have the first sentence come back starting with, “Well, I don’t like…” After my years of learning about positive judging and critiquing, my immediate reaction is to say, “But I want to know what you do like about that dog.” The look I get is generally priceless, but my question usually results in a thoughtful discussion of the virtue of the dog and a learning experience for both of us.

Not everyone will see the exact same virtues in every dog, and not everyone will place the same priorities on those virtues. That is why different dogs win on different days, and when the judging is positive and can be clearly explained, then no one is wrong. But regardless of differing viewpoints and priorities, striving to see dogs in a positive light can only be good for both judges and breeders, and for our breeds as well.

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In forming our concept of the Hands On experience, and in addition to focusing on judging dogs positively, we also wanted to encourage breeders and exhibitors to take the time to put their hands on dogs owned and bred by others; to learn how to feel breed specific qualities to recognize correct structure (breed type), to learn a variety of ideas and concepts from others, and to learn how to see good qualities in all dogs, our own as well as those owned by others – to learn how to develop an unbiased eye.

Now let’s move on to highlights from the Hands On experience!

I can’t possibly write about all the topics we covered, nor all the positives of the dogs presented for exam. But if I haven’t covered a topic or a point that you want to see shared here please offer that in the comment section of this article.

The Hands On experience was open forum, and participants were encouraged to come and go at will, so the group size and the participants fluctuated throughout the program. Some brought dogs who were stacked in front of the group while other participants went over those dogs, the Hands On part. Then, those who examined were asked to share their view of the positive qualities they found on the dog they examined. Discussion about the positives followed with the group at large joining the talk. While committee members, Barb Manson, Peggy Nowak and I moderated to keep things on track, the teachers here were actually the participants, the many breeders and exhibitors who shared their dogs, views, and experience. The Hands On experience lead to many various, thought provoking and enlightening discussions. The participants and their dogs were the shining stars of the experience, and we thank each and every one of you for making this one of the best GSCA Breeder Education events. We have heard a magnitude of positive feedback, and what we heard most often was indeed “best Breeder Education program ever” and “let’s do it again”!

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Photo by Ben Perez


Topics that were covered during the experience

Esther Joseph (Australia) shared many interesting points about length of body and the length and structure of the rib cage. She noted that when compared to other countries, the American Kennel Club (AKC) Gordon Setter Standard, is the only standard to to call for a length approximately to equal height, interpreted by many to mean we seek a “a square dog”.

  • AKC StandardProportion: The distance from the forechest to the back of the thigh is approximately equal the height from the ground to the withers.
  • Australian National Kennel Council (ANKC) Standard – Body: Moderate length.

One of the key takeaways that I would mention is the wording in the AKC standard, wording that says approximately equal, as this wording gives the Gordon room for sufficient length of body to allow for the driving stride he will exhibit if properly angled front and rear. A dog whose body is too short for the angulation of his rear can not move properly. If we were to breed for a completely square Gordon we would need to breed that dog with less angulation in the rear, so his rear stride does not interfere with his front. Perhaps we need to focus on the standard saying approximately equal and eliminate the word square from our lingo?

The AKC standard says Gordon Setter movement should be: A bold, strong, driving free swinging gait…The hindquarters reach well forward and stretch far back, enabling the stride to be long and the drive powerful. If, for example, a Gordon moves wide in the rear, or perhaps he crabs, we might consider that one of the causes could be that Gordon has too much rear angulation for the length of the body. Is this dog then too short in length (too square)?

(NOTE – as a question was raised, I did confirm the information I gave you regarding how to measure the dog’s length. I was correct, it is measured from the point of the forechest and never from the point on the shoulder joint)

Another discussion ensued on proper length, depth, and spring of rib. Here again Esther opened the chat and spoke in detail about the length of the rib cage and it’s importance for the protection of the Gordon’s vital organs (heart and lungs) when hunting in dense brush and brambles. To completely shield those organs the ribcage must be long from front to back, and we should measure this not simply by looking at the length from the side view of the dog, but also by reaching down under the dog to note how how far back the sternum extends. (The sternum being the floor of the chest, where the ribs meet underneath the dog.)  The Gordon Setter needs not only his prominent forechest (for proper muscle attachment to provide reach) but also good length of the ribcage; a sternum whose length extends it’s boney protection to completely cover sensitive organs. A ribcage and which allows for the lung capacity he needs by it’s spring as well as depth for working in harsh terrain.

Barbara Manson began a discussion about short hocks by demonstrating that good quality on her dog. This  led into a more in depth conversation among the group about the complete rear assembly, angulation, length of hock and sickle hocks. When viewing rear angulation we’d start at the highest point, the femur (think upper thigh) which has always been considered as the longest bone in the dog’s anatomy. The tibia and fibula (second thigh) should be second in length to the femur, and are attached to the hock which should be the shortest in this group of leg bones that contribute to rear angulation. Simple so far, right?

Standing around at rest (as opposed to lusting after a hot smelling bitch which brings every hot blooded dog up on his toes) a well built dog will naturally stand with the rear foot in a somewhat perpendicular line on the ground, right under the boney protuberance that ends at the point of the buttocks.  Just like humans, dogs stand around with their feet almost directly under their butts. Why? Because that’s the dog’s column of support. So, if the second thigh (tibia and fibula) is longer than the upper thigh (femur), opposite the normal length of these bones, the only way the dog can reach his column of support is if the hock is long enough to get the foot where it needs to be – underneath the dogs butt. Proper ratio of length between upper thigh and lower thigh gives us the shorter hock we expect on our Gordon Setter. To sum it, a Gordon needs to have an upper thigh (femur) that is longer than the lower thigh (tibia and fibula), ending with a hock that is shorter than both of those bones.  As a general rule, the genes that control the length of one bone are often linked to the genes that control the length of the corresponding bones so Mother Nature provides compensation when the ratio in the length of these bones gets out of whack, grow a lower thigh that’s too long for the upper thigh and Mother Nature will give you a longer hock to compensate.

Standing around ringside, looking at dogs standing in a relaxed state, the well put together dogs will be standing with their rear feet underneath the back half of the pelvis and their hocks slightly sloping – we should be able to see light between the ground and the entire length of dog’s hock. If a dog is standing with his hocks nearly flat to the ground, odds are excellent that we are looking at excessive angulation (a lower thigh that is longer than the femur).

Sickle hocks are a result of these over angulated rears. For me, sickle hocks are easily seen on the backward swing of the rear leg during movement. Instead of the joint between the lower thigh and the hock opening up into a nearly straight extended line, where the pads on the bottom of the foot end in a position that is nearly straight up (or reaching toward the sky), the sickle hock, due to the imbalanced length of the bones, at fullest rearward extension ends in a shape resembling a sickle – slightly curved instead of fully extended. No glimpse of the sky for the pads on these feet. The rear movement on the sickle hocked dog looks like the swinging of an old fashioned sickle when viewing the sickle from the side.

Our group also spent a bit of time discussing feet. We’re not going to cover all of that discussion here as this article has grown quite long. I did want to mention that I remember a brief conversation around the use of the term “cat foot”. Perhaps I remember wrong but I thought I heard someone say that “cat foot” no longer appeared in our standard.  You were right, cat foot isn’t exactly right, but a reference to cat does appear. The standard says “Feet catlike in shape”. 

I’m splitting this report into sections as it’s growing long, keep an eye out for Part II – The 2016 National Specialty Hands On experience in a future issue. In Part II I’ll share other discussions we held on topics like the width of jaw, angle of croup, block on block heads and vitiglio.

Sally Gift, Mesa AZ  GSCA Breeder Education Committee Chair

Photos by Ben Perez

A slide show of random photos from the BOB class at the ’16 GSCA National Specialty courtesy of Ben Perez. We’ll be sharing more of these in future articles. Thanks Ben!

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Raffle results and photos from the 2016 GSCA National Specialty

Goofing around behind the raffle table, Sally Gift. Photo by Jim Thacker.

Feature image courtesy of Bill Dargay

(An album including many of the faces seen at the GSCA National is found at the bottom of this page. Many thanks to Ben Perez for sharing these shots with us.)

Raffle Results by Sally Gift

I am so grateful to all of the generous and thoughtful benefactors who supported our National Specialty raffle with donations ranging from a generator, EZ Up canopy, artwork, handler certificates, grooming tables, multiple Gordon Santas, jewelry and wind chimes to other items like belt buckles, grooming shears, stacking blocks, shampoos, conditioners, grooming sprays, brushes, combs, show and walking leads, toys, chews, food, treats, memorabilia, custom pet portrait and more. Nearly 200 prizes and prize baskets filled our tables. If my achy, breaky back is any indicator of success we definitely rang the bell with this one.  Movers and Shakers – Catherine Thomas, Bill Dargay, and Matt Marr can, and will, attest to the size of the haul after our moving experience loading and transporting all the donations from Catherine’s house to the event site. And, let’s not forget all the amazing people who brought us donations the day of the event …yes indeed, the support for this fundraising raffle was certainly outstanding. Our club is truly blessed with a generosity of spirit that runs throughout!


Raffle tables looked like they stretched to infinity and beyond, over 1,000 feet of table top, loaded with nearly 200 prizes that went home with as many lucky winners, some of whom couldn’t be present but having purchased  tickets online before the event, shared in the fun of winning a prize of their choice.

That’s right, that middle row of raffle prize tables starts clear up there by the overhead door, ten full tables and a back wall filled with some mighty fine stuff! Photo by Bill Dargay

There were eleven prize  winners who were not in attendance, but who purchased tickets ahead online. The Lucky Ducks have been contacted by email and I have confirmation from them all that prizes have been delivered. If you haven’t heard from me, I’m so sorry your ticket wasn’t drawn.

Raffle table
Photo by Ben Perez


And, there was that moment when I glanced up and saw that crowd of people, who unbidden, had stepped in to help set up. I wish I could list each and every person who lent a hand, you were so many and so very kind, voluntarily giving your time, energy and good will. But I’m lost to recall the names of every person who helped, I know there were many of you working at various tasks throughout the show, voluntarily stepping up to the plate with a huge smile on your face. I hope you know how very important your support was to us, and how much you were appreciated!

What a marvelous group of people! I had a blast putting this together, it didn’t feel like work to me, it was a wonderful journey showcasing the generosity that lives within our Gordon Setter community. Thank you all from my heart to yours!

Santa Gordon won on our raffle getting ready to make the trip to his new home along with a couple of other views of the the raffle. Photos by Ben Perez.

(Scroll to the bottom of this page to view a photo collage of the many faces from this year’s National.)

Sally Gift, Mesa AZ


Individual Donor poster

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Photos by Ben Perez

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Deadline Extended – Reserved Parking RV & Auto

The deadline to reserve parking at the 2016 GSCA National Specialty has been extended to

April 20, 2016

Click this link to the 2016 GSCA National Specialty Website if you’re looking for more information on the show.

RV Parking

2016 National Specialty Recreational Vehicle Parking

Camper hookups with electricity & water available by reservation and with advance payment only. RV parking space charges are $35.00 per night.

The GSCA will provide a 30 AMP connection when available (some sites may have a 15 AMP connection).  Anyone who wishes to use electric should have a minimum of 100 feet of cord.  30 AMP connections will require RV pigtail connector/adaptor.

Water is available but there are no water hookups. Water is available in RV area to share, fill your tank and unhook.  Please bring your own hose (100’ suggested).  Showers available on the grounds

There is a dumping station located at the Fairgrounds

Any camper that is not self-contained will be parked in a special area per Fire Marshall.

In accordance with the Canfield Fairgrounds rules an electricity fee of $20.00 per night will be charged to anyone utilizing a 30 AMP electrical outlet which includes plugging into another RV. 15 AMP service is $5.00 per night.

The GSCA reserves the right to ask all trailer combinations to be unhitched.

Reservations and fees must be received by March 30, 2016. The reservation is non-refundable after March 30, 2016. A confirmation of your reservation will be sent to you. You will receive your assigned number on or around the show closing date. A returned check fee of $25.00 will be charged.

For better organization and for the convenience of the campers, each RV parking location with electricity will be numbered and assigned as your reservations are made. Groups wishing to be next to each other must reserve the same number of nights for the entire group and send their reservation requests in the same envelope. NO AREAS WILL BE SAVED. On the days of the shows any unreserved spots will be available on a first come, first served basis and will be assigned to a designated spot. An attendant will be on duty for RV parking. Parking in Restricted or No Parking areas will result in your vehicle being towed at your cost and may result in an Event Committee Hearing. Disagreements and arguing with Parking officials may also result in disciplinary actions.

2016 National Specialty Reserved Day Parking

Day parking spots with electricity are available. There will be a charge of $25.00 per day for those utilizing the electricity in the Day Parking Area. Includes 30 amp electric.

Fees for RV & Day parking are charged at the rate the Fairgrounds is charging the GSCA, there is no profit to the GSCA, we are charging you, what they are charging us!

2016 National Specialty Reserved Parking Form

Reservations can be made by providing the information listed below and sending a check or money order for the total number of nights made payable to the GSCA. Send reservation form and fee to Karen Gatchell, 34 Moody Hts., Wells, ME 04090-4950,                                    ph. (207) 646-3339 email trisett@maine.rr.com




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Email                                        Mobile Phone                                

Make & Model                                License #                               

Total Set-up length (for RV parking only)                                     

Arrival Date*                           Departure Date*                           

RV Number of Nights              @ $35.00 per night = $                 

Day Parking w/electric                    @ $25 per day = $                        


Cannot arrive prior to Noon, Monday, May 9, 2016 and must be off the grounds by Noon, Saturday, May 14, 2016.

Deadline extended Catalog Pre-order National Specialty

The deadline to order catalogs from the 2016 GSCA National Specialty has been extended to

April 20, 2016

You can find all the details about the National Specialty and the Catalog order by clicking this link to the official website.


$15.00 per catalog – preordered and picked up at the show

$20.00 per catalog – limited quantity available at the show (no preorder)

$25.00 per catalog – preordered, marked and mailed the week following the show (includes US postage)




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Amount Enclosed $                           


⃝ pick up @ the show                       ⃝ marked & mailed

Make checks payable to the GSCA

Mail order and payment to

Alison Rosskamp

945 Font Rd.; Glenmoore, PA 19343

Phone (610) 458-0596          Email larosskamp@gmail.com

It’s So Easy!

Offering your support for the GSCA National Specialty is so easy!2016 National logo

  • Tell us about your donation immediately using our online form.
  • Make a cash donation online and pay with your debit or credit card.

No donation is too small and something as simple as a  $10 cash donation will go a long way toward purchasing raffle prizes that are appreciated by all!

Simply click this link and complete the form.

Earn FREE tickets for our Midway Fabulous Prizes drawing – see flyer below for details.

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Your support makes all the world of difference. Thank you so very much!
Sally Gift, Raffle Chair