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Setter Obedience – Anyone Want to Chat About It?

Carol Raschella reached out to me and asked if I would reach out to you, to learn how many would be interested in putting together a group for Setter people who are working at (performance) training, such as obedience or agility – this would especially apply to those who want to compete to attain titles on their dogs?  She’d like to help us create a question and answer place, a student and mentor relationship group, where all are welcome and training questions get answered with techniques that work for our Setters.

Gordon doing barn huntThere are so many opportunities to compete for titles out there today, starting with obedience of course, but we’ve added all of the various agility levels, and things like rally, flyball, barn hunting, and so the list goes.

Carol mentioned that 14 years ago she formed a Setter obedience chat group on Yahoo, and while the group activity has since dropped, she wonders if perhaps it should be revived, or, if you all have some other ideas, she’s willing to work to start something new or different.  The name of the old Yahoo group, if you’d like to check it out is Setter Obedience: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SetterObedience/info. 

We’ve included the original group’s description below to give a sample of the overall concept that could be adapted to align with all of the new sports available now.

Group Description:  This group is for the discussion of competition obedience training in any of the Setter breeds – Irish, Gordon, English, Red and White.  Share your training tips, techniques, experiences, observations as they pertain to the unique temperament and abilities of our beloved Setters, including the differences and similarities among the four breeds. And brags of course, are welcome too!  No flames please, we don’t want to embarrass our dogs.

Let’s get a poll going here so Carol and I can work with you, if there is interest, enough interest, to get something up and running for you.
If you would be interested in joining this type of group, as either a student, or acting as a mentor to  help others, please complete the following survey!

Photo by Laurie Ward
Photo by Laurie Ward
 Sally Gift, Mesa Az

Flyball is Flipping Fun!

We’re very pleased to welcome, once again, Diane Dargay as our Guest Blogger. Today she shares another great Performance Event, and judging by the look on her dog’s faces it must be a favorite of theirs as it sure looks like they’re having a blast to me. Thank you so much for sharing Flyball competition with us Diane!



Flyball is a relay race in which dogs race over a series of four hurdles to retrieve a ball from a specially designed flyball box. The dog must push on the front of the box in order to activate a trigger mechanism that releases the ball. When the ball springs out of the box, the dog catches the ball and brings it back over the four jumps to his/her handler. As the dog crosses the start/finish line, another dog races past him to repeat the same procedure. Teams of four dogs race against each other for the win. Teams consist of six dogs, but only four race at a time.

Video Link – Diane Dargay with Jackson (single dog flyball race)   This was Jackson’s first tournament setting at 15 mos old. We just practiced with the team in warmup all weekend. If you notice, at the flyball box there is a jump in front and ring gate at the side as prop to navigate his turn.

Each team brings to a tournament their own flyball box and set of balls. Balls can be any size as long as they bounce and roll and fit into the flyball box. Dogs can be of any breed and mixed breeds are welcome.

The height of the jump varies from 7″ to 14″ and is determined by the height of the smallest dog running, minus 5 inches. So, if the height of the smallest dog is 15″, the entire team would jump at 10″.

Aggressive dogs are not tolerated and the judge has the right to eject a dog that shows any aggression toward another dog.
Teams are classified into divisions so you are racing against teams with times that are similar.  In a tournament, there will be a head judge, two box judges (one for each team) and two line judges (one for each team)  The head judge runs the entire heat. The box judges make sure the dog pushes the front of the flyball box. The line judges monitor the start/finish line and record the time of the heat.
Photo by Dargay
Photo by Dargay

Points and titles are achieved by team time. If a team runs under 24 seconds, 25 points is awarded to the four dogs that raced in that heat. Under 28 seconds, 5 points is awarded and under 32 seconds, 1 point is given. Titles start at 20 points and go to 100,000 and beyond. The maximum number of heats in a race is five. In order to receive points for a run, the dogs must run clean……which means not dropping a ball, missing a jump or hitting the start line before the previous dog comes back. If there is a fault, the dog must rerun at the end of the line or the heat will be considered a “no finish”.

Photo by Dargay
Photo by Dargay

In training, we start by teaching what we call a “swimmers turn”. This is just like you see at the Olympics…….they touch and push off with their feet. It is safer for the dog as it is a repetitive motion. This does not put stress only on the front end. Starting with a seven inch jump away from the flyball box, a treat is given once the dog jumps over. Then a treat is given once the dog jumps back. After many times of treats on both sides, we then start with only one treat after a jump and back. Now the dog has to jump and U-turn (bounce) and jump back in one motion. Once they have accomplished the bounce, then the jump is moved to the flyball box. Now the bounce is bouncing off the flyball box. After they get proficient at bouncing off, we start adding the ball on the ledge and then eventually in the hole.

1012947_928243730524014_6090674871594978242_nWhile we are training the box, we separately train the series of four jumps…..one jump at a time and work up to four. Then eventually put the box and the jumps together. When they are proficient at accomplishing a full run of down and coming back with the ball, we start adding distractions…i.e. other dogs, balls on the ground. They have to pay attention. We also start working on passing another dog and lineups of dogs.

Putting all the pieces together depends on the aptitude of the dog. It can take anywhere from six months to two years to completely train a dog. You also have to consider working them in a tournament setting while another team is practicing. If you dog is really ball focused, it becomes easier.

Diane Dargay, Bolivia, NC